Fiber to the Home: Το σχέδιο συζήτησαν Χατζηδάκης-Αλογουσκο

[Χρήστος Ακρατόπουλος]

Από το in.gr:

"Τις κατευθυντήριες γραμμές για την εγκατάσταση οπτικών ινών σε δύο εκατoμμύρια νοικοκυριά και επιχειρήσεις έως το 2013 συζήτησαν την Τετάρτη ο υπουργός Μεταφορών και Επικοινωνιών και ο υπουργός Οικονομίας.To έργο FTTH (Fiber to the Home) εντάσσεται στο πλαίσιο της «Ψηφιακής Στρατηγικής 2006- 2013» και βελτιώνει σημαντικά τα ευρυζωνικά δίκτυα που έχουν ήδη αναπτυχθεί. Το έργο θα υλοποιηθεί μέσω Συμπράξεων Δημόσιου και Ιδιωτικού Τομέα (ΣΔΙΤ).
Οι οπτικές ίνες θα προσφέρουν πολύ μεγαλύτερη ταχύτητα πρόσβασης στο Διαδίκτυο σε σχέση με τις σημερινές συνδέσεις DSL.

Παρόντες στη συνάντηση ήταν ο Γενικός Γραμματέας Επικοινωνιών του υπουργείου Μεταφορών Γιώργος Αναστασόπουλος και ο Ειδικός Γραμματέας Ψηφιακού Σχεδιασμού του υπουργείου Οικονομίας Βασίλης Ασημακόπουλος."

 

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Απάντηση: Fiber to the Home: Το σχέδιο συζήτησαν Χατζηδάκης-Αλογουσκο

αντε και σε VDSL2 στα 100 Mbits... DOWNLOAD & UPLOAD

 

[Χρήστος Ακρατόπουλος]

Μάλλον πολύ πιο προχωρημένο θα είναι από το vdsl...

Στόχος είναι και σε 30 χρόνια από σήμερα να είναι πολύ απλά αναβαθμίσιμο το δίκτυο ώστε να καλύπτει κάθε ανάγκη και το 2040!

 

[panosop]

Απάντηση: Fiber to the Home: Το σχέδιο συζήτησαν Χατζηδάκης-Αλογουσκο

πάντως Χρήστο μιλάω για το VDSL 2, ITU-T G.993.2, που θεωρητικά φτάνει τα 250 Mbits/s και χρησιμοποιείται αυτη τη στιγμή σε αρκετές χώρες στην Ευρώπη με ταχύτητες μέχρι όμως 100 Mbits/s, συμμετρικά, δηλαδή 100 Mbits download, 100 Mbits upload.

Πρέπει βέβαια το FTTH να είναι πράγματι μέχρι το σπίτι , αν και το VDSL 2 , πέρα απο οπτική ίνα υποστηρίζει και το τελευταίο στάδιο με χαλκό μέχρι και 500 μέτρα απο τον οπτικό κόμβο για να πιάσει αυτές τις ταχύτητες, μετά αρχίζει να πέφτει...

Φυσικά οι τεχνικές και η τεχνολογία δίνουν άλλες διαστάσεις μέρα με τη μέρα, όπως παράδειγμα η Πορτογαλική PT Labs, που εξέλιξε το σύστημα θεωρητικά μεχρι και τα 4-5 χλμ χαλκού απο τον οπτικό κόμβο, με μεγάλες ταχύτητες.

Εαν πράγματι η οπτική ίνα καταλήξει στο σπίτι θα δούμε φοβερά πράγματα να γίνονται , όπως και στην υπόλοιπη ευρώπη φυσικά.

Παραθέτω τι γίνεται στην Ευρώπη...

"Europe

In Belgium, Belgacom announced it will provide HDTV services (20Mbit/s) using VDSL2 to 60% of the households by Spring 2008. Belgacom is rolling out Alcatel-Lucent VDSL2 equipment in over 11,000 street cabinets.

In Denmark, TDC launched VDSL2 on January 21, 2008.Cybercity is planning to provide VDSL2.

In Finland, Saunalahti was to provide VDSL2 in December 2006 to small area as a pilot project, but was delayed until further notice due to low firmware satisfaction.

In Finland, Päijät-Hämeen Puhelin started providing 100/64 Mbit/s VDSL2 subscriptions in 2007 Q1 for 69 to 79 a month.

In Finland, Nebula started providing VDSL2 pilot subscriptions during June 2007. Pilot is currently available for quite limited area, but it's probably expanding soon. 149 a month.

In France, Erenis is deploying VDSL1 & VDSL2 at the basement: FTTB

In Germany, T-Home, the landline division of Deutsche Telekom, offers VDSL2 services with download speeds up to 50 Mbit/s and upload speeds up to 10 Mbit/s based on FTTC. Residents near to the local exchange offices (approx. 500-700m) can also be provided with VDSL2-based services. It is used to provide Triple play services. The service started in late 2006 and is offered in many districts of Germany. There will be a deployment of whole Germany to the end of the year 2010.

In Hungary, T-Online is planning to provide VDSL2 in the second half of 2008.

In Italy, Telecom Italia was planning to provide VDSL2 in Q4 2007. Azienda Sanitaria Locale 3 "Genovese" is doing a trial of Versatek VX-VER160 in campus networks.

In Republic of Ireland, eircom announced their plan to start providing VDSL2 within the year 2007. However there is not yet any firm date for any deployment as of November 2007.

In Norway, NextGenTel and Netpower provide VDSL2 in the cities Oslo, Stavanger, and Sandnes.

In The Netherlands, KPN is planning VDSL2 test starting from Q4 2006.

In Portugal, Clix (ISP) and Portugal Telecom is planning to provide VDSL2 in 2008 end, new technology of PTInovação (PT Labs) called mediaDSLAM can provide 100 Mbit/s in a long range, 4/5 km of main "source", against 0.5 km.

In Spain, Jazztel and Telefónica are testing the deployment of VDSL2. They are planning to provide VDSL2 in 2008 start.

In Slovenia, TušTelekom is providing VDSL2 to enterprises.
Telekom Slovenije is providing VDSL2 since March 5, 2007 to its customers. T-2 is providing VDSL2 to customers since May 2007 and it offers speeds up to 60/25 Mbit/s on copper phone lines and up to 1Gb on Fiber Optic line.

In Sweden,Telenor and Telia are negotiating a joint venture to deploy the VDSL2 infrastructure at a cost of 10 billion Swedish kronor.Bredbandsbolaget AB started conducting VDSL2 tests October 2005, Bredbandsbolaget is now a part of Telenor. BBB is now offering VDSL2 at 40/10 Mbit.
On March 13, 2008 TeliaSonera announced it would start deploying VDSL2.[5] Telia are talking about 30 to 70 Mbit/sek in downstream.
On March 18, 2008 Bredbandsbolaget announced it would start deploying VDSL2 on On March 25, 2008.However, Bredbandsbolaget has chosen to call the service "Turbo-DSL" rather than vdsl2. Bredbandsbolaget promises at least 3Mbit/s upload (with a maximum of 10Mbit/s) and at least 20, and at max 40Mbit/s when receiving data. The price tag is said to be 449 SEK per month (47)

In Switzerland, Swisscom is deploying VDSL2 and it is now available to customers since July 1, 2007. Since December 2006 it is in use for IPTV.

In Turkey, Turkish Turk Telekom is providing VDSL2 service from July 2008. The available options are 16 Mbit/s and 32 Mbit/s. TURBONET, a leading independent telecom infrastructure operator and ISP, is currently trialing VDSL2. Turbonet is scheduled to deploy VDSL2 services to its premium customers by Mid 2008.

In the United Kingdom, BT Group trialed VDSL2 during 2006. BT currently plans to launch ADSL2+ from early 2008 as part of its 21CN program to upgrade of its core network. In July 2007, Sir Christopher Bland, the chairman of BT said that BT was considering fibre to the curb and that VDSL2 was a 'likely development going forward' but that no final decisions had yet been taken."

Αυτή είναι η Ευρώπη μας... πρέπει και εμείς να τους φτάσουμε και όχι μόνο να βλέπουμε την ουρά τους και επιτέλους βλέπουμε θετικά βήματα...

 

[ganas]

BT Rolls Out a Massive Fiber Network
The telecom giant announced a network investment expected to connect as many as 10 million homes to the superfast broadband service by 2012

On July 15, London-based telecom giant BT Group (BT) announced it will spend almost $3 billion by 2012 to connect as many as 10 million homes to superfast broadband services using fiber optics. The massive infrastructure investment should go some way toward helping Britain catch up to France, where household penetration of speedy Internet connections is about 50 times higher. But just how good the rollout will be for competition and consumers is still an open question.

The new fiber network, announced by new BT Chief Ian Livingston, will cover about 40% of the British population, giving those customers enough speed to run multiple bandwidth-hungry applications. This could allow, for example, some family members to watch high-definition movies while others are playing online games or viewing graphic-rich files or video.

Analysts say BT has to upgrade its network if Livingston wants to succeed at his stated goal of increasing the company's focus on home entertainment, in competition with satellite, cable, and free over-the-air digital TV. It's already behind many European counterparts (BusinessWeek.com, 5/29/08). While France Telecom (FTE) and Telefónica (TEF) have offered TV services for years, BT began its own offering only 18 months ago. And while other telcos offer Internet TV, BT's service, called BT Vision, is a hybrid that uses a combination of DSL and digital terrestrial broadcasting.

BT decided to push ahead with a fiber rollout, following comment in the last few weeks from regulators in Britain and Brussels acknowledging that network operators investing billions in new, superfast networks need to make a decent return on investment. European Commissioner for Information Society & Media Viviane Reding said, for instance, that operators investing in fiber networks should reasonably expect a 15% ROI. "The regulatory mood music is getting to BT's liking," says John Delaney, a research director at IDC, a technology consultancy.

"The Most Competitive Broadband Market in the World"
The big question is what impact the move will have on competition. BT said on July 15 that it is committed to wholesaling its new services, unlike U.S. phone companies AT&T (T) and Verizon Communications (VZ), which have convinced regulators that closed networks are not only acceptable but essential to their business models. The telecom giants want to build quick new fiber systems to deliver high-speed Internet and entertainment services to U.S. homes. But the only way to justify the billions in cost, they argue, is if rivals are prevented from having equal access to the network and offering competing media services over the same pipes. But that's not the case in all countries, as Sweden, for instance, has shown (BusinessWeek.com, 6/9/2008).

A recent report from the Paris-based Organisation for Economic Co-operation & Development argues that if new fiber networks deployed by incumbent telcos are closed and the companies are allowed to bundle voice, TV, and Internet access, the result could be less freedom of choice and higher prices. It would also be more difficult to determine whether prices are linked to costs, potentially allowing operators to hide anticompetitive practices such as cross-subsidization between services.

BT says its move will ensure the country "remains the most competitive broadband market in the world." But the fact that BT will agree to allow competitors to use its network does not guarantee a competitive environment, says Ian Fogg, a research director at JupiterResearch, a technology consultancy. "The big challenge right now for regulators across Europe is, how can you encourage next-generation fiber without reducing competition in the market?" says Fogg.

BT competitors, including Carphone Warehouse (CPW.L) and British Sky Broadcasting (BSY) have switched clients to their own networks so they don't have to rent copper lines from BT Wholesale. If BT starts building out a much higher-speed fiber optic network it will make competitors' networks obsolete, potentially reducing competition by forcing those rival operators back onto BT's network.

BT's competitors will have to decide in the coming weeks whether instead they want to make substantial investments of their own to build out faster networks, says Fogg. That's precisely what network operators are doing in France, where three phone operators and one cable company are each building their own fiber networks.

Schenker is a BusinessWeek correspondent in Paris.

 

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Απάντηση: Fiber to the Home: Το σχέδιο συζήτησαν Χατζηδάκης-Αλογουσκο

Ειναι σημαντική η κίνηση της ΒΤ να επενδύσει 3 δισεκατομμύρια δολλάρια μέχρι το 2012, για να καλύψει 10 εκατομμύρια σπίτια με οπτικές ίνες, χρησιμοποιώντας την τεχνολογία Fibre-to-the-premise (FTTP) or fibre-to-the-cabinet (FTTC).

Βασίζεται στην μικτή χρήση οπτικής ίνας και χαλκού και εκτιμάται ότι οι ταχύτητες θα είναι της τάξεως του 100 Mbits με μελλοντική επέκταση στα 1.000 Mbits (1 Gbit/s)....

Μήπως Γιώργο είναι το προοίμιο του "δικού μας" FΤTH πλάνου και διασύνδεσης....??? Νομίζω ότι μοιάζουν σε πολλά σημεία. :109:

Βρήκα και κάποια επιπλέον στοιχεία...

" BT today announced plans to roll out fibre-based, super-fast broadband to as many as 10 million homes by 2012. The £1.5 billion programme will deliver a range of services with top speeds of up to 100 Mb/s with the potential for speeds of more than 1,000 Mb/s in the future." !!!!

Questions and Answers

What will be delivered? Fibre-to-the-premise (FTTP) or fibre-to-the-cabinet (FTTC)?
We will deliver both though the exact split will be driven by the interest shown by government and regional and local authorities. FTTP deployment will be focused primarily on new build sites such as Ebbsfleet and the Olympic Village whilst FTTC will be more prevalent elsewhere.

What speeds will be delivered and where?
FTTP will deliver headline speeds of up to 100Mb whilst FTTC will initially deliver speeds of up to 40Mb though we are investigating technologies that can increase those speeds to more than 60Mb. In addition to the new fibre-based services, copper-based ADSL2+ will deliver nationwide speeds of up to 24Mb. Recent tests show the majority of ADSL2+ customers should enjoy speeds of around 10Mb or above with many getting substantially higher speeds. The technology is also improving all the time.


Which areas will benefit first from this investment?
BT will work with Government and regional and local authorities on the roll out plans. They can help ensure there is demand for fibre and so we look forward to working with them to ensure our roll-out is demand-driven. Our aim is that both urban and rural areas will be able to benefit.

Will fibre only be available in large cities as has happened in other countries?
No. Our aim is that fibre will be widely available and not just in the major cities – unlike in some countries. Its precise deployment will depend on the engagement of government and regional and local authorities but there is no reason why it should not be available in a variety of environments.


Will the UK be in a stronger position after this deployment?
Yes. This plan will deliver some of the fastest speeds in the world to a far larger percentage of the population than in some other countries where fibre services are largely confined to major cities.



What will happen to those parts of the UK who won’t have access to fibre?
Those areas will have access to copper-based ADSL2+, a service offering speeds of up to 24Mb. This will be sufficient for services such as Hi-Definition TV. BT will roll out fibre beyond this plan if there is sufficient demand and it can make an adequate return on its investment.


If ADSL2+ offers sufficient speed to enjoy new services, why invest in fibre?
Copper-based ADSL2+ will offer sufficient speed for services including HDTV but fibre will allow people to enjoy several such services simultaneously. It is important everyone is bold in ensuring there is sufficient capacity for future services and our plans will ensure this.


Is this investment dependent on Ofcom creating a new regulatory framework?
Yes. The right regulatory environment is vital for anyone seeking to invest. The funds required are extremely large and companies need confidence that risk-taking can be appropriately rewarded.


Will BT exclude other companies in the way companies have in other countries?
No. BT is totally committed to a wholesale market and so will make its services available on an equivalent basis to all communications providers.



Does BT believe that other next generation networks should also be open?
Yes. BT’s firm belief is that all next generation networks in the UK should be open as this approach will boost competition and consumers and businesses will benefit.

What are BT’s plans post this investment?
BT will review its plans on a constant basis. If there is adequate demand and interest for fibre-based broadband and BT can make an adequate return, the plans would be extended.


Will fibre-based services be more expensive?
It is likely they will be at the wholesale level but the prices that consumers and businesses will pay will be determined by the market and not just BT.


Are “next generation broadband” and “super-fast broadband” the same thing?
No. “Next generation broadband” refers to the family of new services that BT will offer. These include fibre-based “super-fast” services – such as FTTP and FTTC – as well as advanced copper-based fast services such as ADSL2+.



Is this a good time to invest given the current “credit crunch”?
It is important that we invest for the long-term. This is a bold step that will ensure businesses and consumers have all the speed they require in the foreseeable future.


Are you taking action to reduce the congestion caused by services such as the BBC’s iPlayer?
Yes. BT has made it much cheaper for companies to buy extra capacity on the “backhaul” pipes that link exchanges to the core network. This move should ensure Internet congestion is minimised. BT will also invest significant funds in improving core network capacity. Both measures should ensure customers on BT’s network will enjoy a higher quality of service than those on cable networks where contention and internet congestion has been more of an issue.

το τοπίο ξεκαθαρίζει...

 

[Χρήστος Ακρατόπουλος]

Και γιατί να μην πάμε κατευθείαν σε point-to-point? Με μόλις 15% παραπάνω έξοδα έχουμε αναβαθμιζόμενο δίκτυο θεωρητικά για πάντα...

Αν σε 50 χρόνια θέλουμε 3 Gbps ανά σπίτι θα τα έχουμε χωρίς καμία επιπλέον αναβάθμιση και μηδέν έξοδα στην σκοτεινή ίνα δηλαδή χωρίς επιπλέον σκαψίματα κλπ...

 

[lakiss51]

Απάντηση: Fiber to the Home: Το σχέδιο συζήτησαν Χατζηδάκης-Αλογουσκο

Εκεινο που με ανησυχει ειναι ο προβληματισμος για την χρηματοδοτηση (3 δισ), Απο που θα κοπουν;

 

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Απάντηση: Fiber to the Home: Το σχέδιο συζήτησαν Χατζηδάκης-Αλογουσκο

Point to point????
Από τον παροχέα απευθείας με ίνα στο σπίτι μου χωρίς μεσολάβηση τρίτων και χωρίς χρήση splitters κλπ ???
Εδώ μιλάμε πλέον για ταχύτητες μέχρι και 10 Gbps, αποκλειστικά...!!!!

Πάντως εαν όντως υπάρχει η δυνατότητα δημιουργία τέτοιου δικτύου οπτικών ινών με PtP comm , νομίζω είναι ευκαιρία.
Αν δε κάνω λάθος τα χρήματα θα δοθούν απο το 4ο κοινοτικό πλαίσιο ή αλλιώς ΕΣΠΑ.
Τεχνικά βέβαια απαιτούνται αρκετά περισσότερα πράγματα για τη διασύνδεση PtP, επιπλέον απο τους άλλους τύπους , αλλά εαν υπάρχει μελέτη και μπορεί να γίνει...

 

[bigmac]

Re: Απάντηση: Fiber to the Home: Το σχέδιο συζήτησαν Χατζηδάκης-Αλογουσκο

Εκεινο που με ανησυχει ειναι ο προβληματισμος για την χρηματοδοτηση (3 δισ), Απο που θα κοπουν;

Υπαρχει προγραμα χρηματοδοτησης απο ΕΕ για της νεες τεχνολογιες στο 4ο κοινοτικο πακετο.