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Δεν έβαλαν τα original poster αλλα έκαναν τα καινούρια να μοιάζουν με τα originalGTXTC said:
Ορίστε τα original για να κάνετε την σύγκριση.
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Το Star Wars κυκλοφορεί σε DVD !!! ΞΑΝΑ!!!
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Ορίστε τα original για να κάνετε την σύγκριση.
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Α ρε Lukas ΕΜΠΟΡΕ!!! :x :x
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Λένε ότι μια φωτογραφία είναι χίλιες λέξεις.
Η παρακάτω συνοψίζει το πως αισθάνομαι για τις πρωτοβουλίες του κ. Lucas
Η παρακάτω συνοψίζει το πως αισθάνομαι για τις πρωτοβουλίες του κ. Lucas
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Να σου ζησει φεγγαροπριγκιπα!!!
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Και τι έμπορος! Ακούστε τα νεότερα...Andrew said:
Οι εκδόσεις αυτές θα έχουν εικόνα letterbox (οχι αναμορφική) και ήχο stereo! Ουσιαστικά δηλαδή θα πάρει τις εκδόσεις για laserdisc που είχαν βγει και απλά θα της βάλει σε dvd.
Σκεφτείτε και το εξής. Το 2007 κλείνουν 30 χρόνια απο την κυκλοφορία του A New Hope. Ε να μην βγάλουν ένα 30th Anniversary Edition? Σε απλό dvd φυσικά. Και μετά απο αυτό πάμε πάλι απο την αρχή με 50 διαφορετικές εκδόσεις στα format υψηλής ανάλυσης.
Πληρώνετε κορόιδαααααα!!!!!
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LOL thanks αλλά δεν είναι δικό μου - το Χασμουρητό μου όμως είναι εξίσου τεράστιο!
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Για μενα το DVD απεθανε.... Απο τωρα θα περιμενω μονο ΗD!!!
Παντως τα παλια Artworks ειναι ολα τα λεφτα!!!
Παντως τα παλια Artworks ειναι ολα τα λεφτα!!!
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Πολύ φοβάμαι οτι θα περιμένεις (περιμένουμε) αρκετά. Είναι βλέπεις και αυτός ο καταραμένος πόλεμος των format που μέχρι να τελειώσει δεν θα μπορούμε να επενδύσουμε πουθενά.ΛΕΥΤΕΡΗΣ ΚΟΥΚΟΥΡΑΚΗΣ said:
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Μωρε θα περιμενωωωω!!! Θα περιμενωωωω!!!! Οχι οπως τοτε που πηρα το πρωτο DVD ρ που ηρθε και πλερωκα την μανα μου και τον πατερα μου... Οσες βγαινουν σε DVD θα τις νοικιαζω και οταν θα βγουνε σε HD θα τις αγοραζω...
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ΛΕΥΤΕΡΗΣ ΚΟΥΚΟΥΡΑΚΗΣ said:
Συμφωνώ απόλυτα.
Το δίς εξαμαρτείν.....την πατήσαμε μια φορά με το dvd,φτάνει...
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Ένα ακόμα ενδιαφέρον άρθρο απο το DigitalBits:
We want to take a few moments this morning to post some follow-up thoughts on our Star Wars DVD editorial from yesterday. Since we first posted the DVD transfer information, and especially after our comments of yesterday morning, we've received many hundreds of e-mails from Star Wars fans, home theater enthusiasts and industry insiders (our sincere thanks to all of you for your thoughts), nearly all of whom agree with our sentiments, specifically that if Lucasfilm is going to release the original theatrical versions of the Star Wars films on DVD, they should at least present them in anamorphic widescreen to ensure some semblance of acceptable video quality for fans who may wish to purchase them. Still, a few people felt we were making mountains out of molehills.
Whatever your personal opinions, however, there remains a reality that is hard to deny, which is this: Anamorphic enhancement is the widely accepted industry standard for the presentation of widescreen films on DVD. This is not pie in the sky 'unobtanium' technology that costs untold millions to implement... it's a basic technique that is standard practice on DVD and has been for many years now, since the fairly early days of the DVD format back in 1997. Keep in mind, we're not asking for 4K high-definition presentation at this point. We're simply asking that Lucas - who has in the past been so focused on the quality presentation of his films that he created THX (and the THX certification process) to ensure it - expend a little more effort and money to ensure that the Star Wars DVDs planned for release on 9/12, which are already set to offer the original theatrical versions of these films, offer them in reasonably acceptable video quality that is commensurate to the minimum level that's considered standard for the DVD format today.
Now... we've heard all manner of excuses and contradictory official statements as to why this can't happen: 1) the original film negatives are gone, 2) the other existing original elements have deteriorated too badly, 3) there are just no quality film elements remaining anywhere that could be used, 4) the 1993 laserdisc masters are the best source material that can be found for use on DVD after exhaustive searches of the Lucasfilm Archives, etc. Some of these excuses run from the unlikely to the absurd, and all of them strike us as publicity machine spin.
We've debunked all of these excuses previously but, for the record, let's do so again:
1) The original negatives are gone, destroyed as part of the process of creating the 1997 special edition versions.
We're inclined to believe this is true. Still, the original negatives are not the only viable elements that can be used to transfer the films for home video release. There are numerous interpositive prints. There are the separation masters. Worst case, there are a number of high quality release prints available. In short, other elements exist that can be used for this purpose.
2) The other existing original elements have deteriorated too badly to be used.
We'll come back to this one in a minute.
3) There are just no quality film elements remaining anywhere that could be used.
See our answer to #1. Even if it's true that Lucas and his staff destroyed all of the original negatives, it's unlikely in the extreme that they also destroyed all of the interpositives, all of the separation masters, and all of the release prints. In fact, we know that they didn't. Where, for example, would the anamorphic footage of the original 1977 opening text crawl from A New Hope - the footage that appeared in the Empire of Dreams DVD documentary - have come from if not from quality surviving film elements? Still, even if Lucas did destroy every single scrap of original film available in the Lucasfilm Archives... we know for a fact that high quality die transfer release prints exist in the hands of a number of archives and private collectors. While not ideal, any of these could be given a high-definition transfer, a bit of digital clean-up and color-timing, and could be presented on DVD in anamorphic widescreen in quality that would be superior to a 1993 non-anamorphic laserdisc transfer.
4) The 1993 laserdisc masters are the best source material that can be found for use on DVD after exhaustive searches of the Lucasfilm Archives.
See our answer to #3. This is flatly absurd. If this were true, Lucasfilm's archivists should be ashamed of themselves. We know of few professionals tasked with the preservation of film materials that would allow such critically important film elements as the original Star Wars films to be lost, to deteriorate or be wholesale destroyed. And again, even if Lucasfilm's vaults were so woefully incomplete, we know for a fact that quality elements exist elsewhere. Given 48 hours notice, we could track them down ourselves. Surely, with its significant resources and influence, Lucasfilm could do the same. If the 1993 laserdisc masters are really the best that Lucasfilm can do, it's disturbing. If not, a statement like "We returned to the Lucasfilm Archives to search exhaustively for source material that could be presented on DVD..." seems terribly disingenuous - the corporate PR equivalent of "I'm so sorry, but the dog ate my homework."
But let's get back to #2...
2) The other existing original elements have deteriorated too badly to be used.
It just so happens that one of our regular contributors here at The Bits, the author of our ever illuminating Yellow Layer Failure, Vinegar Syndrome and Miscellaneous Musings column, is something of an expert on the subject of film preservation and restoration. Robert A. Harris, in point of fact, is one of the world's best known motion picture archivists, and has does significant work in this field through his company, Film Preserve. Robert's experiments in color technology and more recent advances in the digital domain have set standards in the industry. His reconstruction and restoration efforts, primarily in the large format field, have brought back to the screen some of the most important films ever produced, including Lawrence of Arabia, Spartacus, My Fair Lady, Vertigo and Rear Window.
We asked Robert what might be done with the original surviving elements of the Star Wars films in order to rejuvenate them and present them in high quality on DVD. Here's what he had to say on the subject:
"Bill Hunt has asked for an opinion regarding the element problems which we have been told exist in the various Star Wars films, and if they might be fixed.
We're aware of the extent of the problems, going back to fading of the original CRI sections - a problem shared with Close Encounters of the Third Kind - as well as the various cuts, re-cuts, etc. which have changed the conformation of the film elements.
Over the past few years we have been experimenting with various means of handling and interrelating differing film elements, and what we have accomplished would enable us to bring Star Wars back to virtually its original state.
In all deference to Lucasfilm, there is no reason that they would be aware of our latest experiments, or how they might apply to Star Wars.
Essentially, the project would be a reconstruction concurrent with restoration.
We can state with absolute certainly that we would be able to deliver fully restored quality elements as might be requested by Lucasfilm, inclusive of a pristine quality high definition video master as well as a full resolution 35mm preservation negative, if so directed.
It would be both a pleasure and a challenge to bring these films back to virtually their original state, and given a proper budget, commensurate with the work entailed, we would be willing to take on the assignment from Lucasfilm, and deliver elements which would make the release of the original trilogy to DVD as startlingly beautiful an event as it should be.
These films are extremely important both cinematically and as cultural icons, and deserve to be seen in the finest quality possible.
RAH"
So there you have it. It seems to those of us here at The Bits, that the only reasonable obstacles to Lucasfilm in releasing the original versions of the Star Wars film on DVD in high-quality are the will do to so and the willingness to spend a reasonable sum of money, such as might be required to get the job done properly. Certainly, any number of existing quality elements could be utilized for the purpose (and digitally cleaned up as needed) without breaking the bank. But considering the cinematic and cultural significance of these films, does it not seem reasonable and prudent to do so?
In any case, we sincerely hope that those in charge at Lucasfilm will reconsider their decision to use lackluster 1993 laserdisc masters to present the original Star Wars films on DVD in 2006. The films deserve better, and we believe it's the right thing to do for the fans. It might require a little more effort, a little more money spent up front. But we have to believe that it would be a significantly profitable enterprise... that countless life-long fans of the original films would thrill at the possibility of finally owning them on DVD in good, reasonable and acceptable quality.
It should be done. It CAN be done.
We want to take a few moments this morning to post some follow-up thoughts on our Star Wars DVD editorial from yesterday. Since we first posted the DVD transfer information, and especially after our comments of yesterday morning, we've received many hundreds of e-mails from Star Wars fans, home theater enthusiasts and industry insiders (our sincere thanks to all of you for your thoughts), nearly all of whom agree with our sentiments, specifically that if Lucasfilm is going to release the original theatrical versions of the Star Wars films on DVD, they should at least present them in anamorphic widescreen to ensure some semblance of acceptable video quality for fans who may wish to purchase them. Still, a few people felt we were making mountains out of molehills.
Whatever your personal opinions, however, there remains a reality that is hard to deny, which is this: Anamorphic enhancement is the widely accepted industry standard for the presentation of widescreen films on DVD. This is not pie in the sky 'unobtanium' technology that costs untold millions to implement... it's a basic technique that is standard practice on DVD and has been for many years now, since the fairly early days of the DVD format back in 1997. Keep in mind, we're not asking for 4K high-definition presentation at this point. We're simply asking that Lucas - who has in the past been so focused on the quality presentation of his films that he created THX (and the THX certification process) to ensure it - expend a little more effort and money to ensure that the Star Wars DVDs planned for release on 9/12, which are already set to offer the original theatrical versions of these films, offer them in reasonably acceptable video quality that is commensurate to the minimum level that's considered standard for the DVD format today.
Now... we've heard all manner of excuses and contradictory official statements as to why this can't happen: 1) the original film negatives are gone, 2) the other existing original elements have deteriorated too badly, 3) there are just no quality film elements remaining anywhere that could be used, 4) the 1993 laserdisc masters are the best source material that can be found for use on DVD after exhaustive searches of the Lucasfilm Archives, etc. Some of these excuses run from the unlikely to the absurd, and all of them strike us as publicity machine spin.
We've debunked all of these excuses previously but, for the record, let's do so again:
1) The original negatives are gone, destroyed as part of the process of creating the 1997 special edition versions.
We're inclined to believe this is true. Still, the original negatives are not the only viable elements that can be used to transfer the films for home video release. There are numerous interpositive prints. There are the separation masters. Worst case, there are a number of high quality release prints available. In short, other elements exist that can be used for this purpose.
2) The other existing original elements have deteriorated too badly to be used.
We'll come back to this one in a minute.
3) There are just no quality film elements remaining anywhere that could be used.
See our answer to #1. Even if it's true that Lucas and his staff destroyed all of the original negatives, it's unlikely in the extreme that they also destroyed all of the interpositives, all of the separation masters, and all of the release prints. In fact, we know that they didn't. Where, for example, would the anamorphic footage of the original 1977 opening text crawl from A New Hope - the footage that appeared in the Empire of Dreams DVD documentary - have come from if not from quality surviving film elements? Still, even if Lucas did destroy every single scrap of original film available in the Lucasfilm Archives... we know for a fact that high quality die transfer release prints exist in the hands of a number of archives and private collectors. While not ideal, any of these could be given a high-definition transfer, a bit of digital clean-up and color-timing, and could be presented on DVD in anamorphic widescreen in quality that would be superior to a 1993 non-anamorphic laserdisc transfer.
4) The 1993 laserdisc masters are the best source material that can be found for use on DVD after exhaustive searches of the Lucasfilm Archives.
See our answer to #3. This is flatly absurd. If this were true, Lucasfilm's archivists should be ashamed of themselves. We know of few professionals tasked with the preservation of film materials that would allow such critically important film elements as the original Star Wars films to be lost, to deteriorate or be wholesale destroyed. And again, even if Lucasfilm's vaults were so woefully incomplete, we know for a fact that quality elements exist elsewhere. Given 48 hours notice, we could track them down ourselves. Surely, with its significant resources and influence, Lucasfilm could do the same. If the 1993 laserdisc masters are really the best that Lucasfilm can do, it's disturbing. If not, a statement like "We returned to the Lucasfilm Archives to search exhaustively for source material that could be presented on DVD..." seems terribly disingenuous - the corporate PR equivalent of "I'm so sorry, but the dog ate my homework."
But let's get back to #2...
2) The other existing original elements have deteriorated too badly to be used.
It just so happens that one of our regular contributors here at The Bits, the author of our ever illuminating Yellow Layer Failure, Vinegar Syndrome and Miscellaneous Musings column, is something of an expert on the subject of film preservation and restoration. Robert A. Harris, in point of fact, is one of the world's best known motion picture archivists, and has does significant work in this field through his company, Film Preserve. Robert's experiments in color technology and more recent advances in the digital domain have set standards in the industry. His reconstruction and restoration efforts, primarily in the large format field, have brought back to the screen some of the most important films ever produced, including Lawrence of Arabia, Spartacus, My Fair Lady, Vertigo and Rear Window.
We asked Robert what might be done with the original surviving elements of the Star Wars films in order to rejuvenate them and present them in high quality on DVD. Here's what he had to say on the subject:
"Bill Hunt has asked for an opinion regarding the element problems which we have been told exist in the various Star Wars films, and if they might be fixed.
We're aware of the extent of the problems, going back to fading of the original CRI sections - a problem shared with Close Encounters of the Third Kind - as well as the various cuts, re-cuts, etc. which have changed the conformation of the film elements.
Over the past few years we have been experimenting with various means of handling and interrelating differing film elements, and what we have accomplished would enable us to bring Star Wars back to virtually its original state.
In all deference to Lucasfilm, there is no reason that they would be aware of our latest experiments, or how they might apply to Star Wars.
Essentially, the project would be a reconstruction concurrent with restoration.
We can state with absolute certainly that we would be able to deliver fully restored quality elements as might be requested by Lucasfilm, inclusive of a pristine quality high definition video master as well as a full resolution 35mm preservation negative, if so directed.
It would be both a pleasure and a challenge to bring these films back to virtually their original state, and given a proper budget, commensurate with the work entailed, we would be willing to take on the assignment from Lucasfilm, and deliver elements which would make the release of the original trilogy to DVD as startlingly beautiful an event as it should be.
These films are extremely important both cinematically and as cultural icons, and deserve to be seen in the finest quality possible.
RAH"
So there you have it. It seems to those of us here at The Bits, that the only reasonable obstacles to Lucasfilm in releasing the original versions of the Star Wars film on DVD in high-quality are the will do to so and the willingness to spend a reasonable sum of money, such as might be required to get the job done properly. Certainly, any number of existing quality elements could be utilized for the purpose (and digitally cleaned up as needed) without breaking the bank. But considering the cinematic and cultural significance of these films, does it not seem reasonable and prudent to do so?
In any case, we sincerely hope that those in charge at Lucasfilm will reconsider their decision to use lackluster 1993 laserdisc masters to present the original Star Wars films on DVD in 2006. The films deserve better, and we believe it's the right thing to do for the fans. It might require a little more effort, a little more money spent up front. But we have to believe that it would be a significantly profitable enterprise... that countless life-long fans of the original films would thrill at the possibility of finally owning them on DVD in good, reasonable and acceptable quality.
It should be done. It CAN be done.
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Καλά με όλα αυτά το μόνο που θα καταφέρουν είναι σε λίγα χρόνια να βγούνε ΞΑΝΑ σε dvd (ναι σε dvd αφου σε ΗD θα κάνουμε πολύ καιρό να τα δούμε) και αυτή τη φορά να είναι απο τα καλά masters που τυχαία θα βρεί ο Lucas στην αποθήκη του :?
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Εννοείται! Πάμε και στοίχημα αν θέλετε!GTXTC said:
EDIT: και όπως είπα και σε προηγούμενο ποστ, μην ξεχνάτε οτι έχουμε του χρόνου και την 30th anniversary edition να περιμένουμε.
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einai gegonos !!! 11 septemvriou kikloforei se diplo dvd
http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/1011234/Star_Wars_Episode_IV_A_New_Hope/Product.html
http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/1011236/Star_Wars_Episode_VI_Return_Of_The_Jedi/Product.html
http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/1011235/Star_Wars_Episode_V_The_Empire_Strikes_Back/Product.html
http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/1011234/Star_Wars_Episode_IV_A_New_Hope/Product.html
http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/1011236/Star_Wars_Episode_VI_Return_Of_The_Jedi/Product.html
http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/1011235/Star_Wars_Episode_V_The_Empire_Strikes_Back/Product.html
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Πραγματι, ειδα προσφατα τα extras απο τα τρια πρωτα επεισοδια και σε καποιο(νομιζω στο πρωτο) ρωτουσε τον υπευθυνο των οπτικων εφε ποσο παει ενα οπτικο εφε! και διαφωνουσε γιατι τα εβρισκε πανακριβα ενω αυτος ειχε συγκεκριμενο μπατζετ! Και σε καποια αλλη στιγμη οταν αποφασισαν να κανουν τον Jar Jar με οπτικα εφε ειπε οτι "τζαμπα πληρωσαμε τοσα λεφτα για να μας φτιαξουν το κοστουμι"Χρυσόστομος Μ. said:
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Ας μην ξεχναμε πως ο Λουκας πρωτα απο ολα ειναι παραγωγος.
Και ως γνωστο οι παραγωγοι παντα κοιτουν πως θα κανουν την δουλεια τους το ιδιο καλα και με λιγοτερα λεφτα
Και ως γνωστο οι παραγωγοι παντα κοιτουν πως θα κανουν την δουλεια τους το ιδιο καλα και με λιγοτερα λεφτα