Kόντρα Focal - Usher για τα Beryllium drivers ή απάτη της Usher?

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Για διαβάστε τα σχετικά thread...Η απάντηση της Usher:

Response from Usher Audio

AudioXpress contributing editor Stephen Mowry, has been threatening Usher Audio over the past 10 months regarding the composition of Usher's Be drivers. Mr. Mowry threatened Usher with the "widespread" release of his article, "The Whole Truth about Beryllium Diaphragms", unless his demands were met:



“If you fail to reply to me in a reasonable manner, then I will do the following.



1. Work with Brush Wellman and FOCAL; they will purchase Be-718's and perform physical tests on the "Beryllium" tweeter diaphragm.

2. Publish the results within a discussion article on Beryllium and the Loudspeaker Industry and utilize the Internet to distribute the results.”



Mr. Mowry’s latest demand/deadline:



"Contact me for a quick solution to your PROBLEM on Monday, 8 June 2009 at +6676 378051".



Mr. Mowry’s e-mail tone wafts of papal syndrome. Answer to me or else!



We are posting Mr. Mowry’s article (on the Usher Web site) so you can decide what his motivation is. We have also catalogued all of Mr. Mowry's e-mail threats from the past 10 months and will supply the entire exchange on request.

Per the quote above, Mr. Mowry implies that he is working in conjunction with Focal/JM Labs and Brush Wellman, a U.S. maker of beryllium products, (we have not verified this) in his quest to eradicate "fake beryllium" speaker drivers from the world market. Mr. Mowry has been very thorough in describing all the positive aspects of pure beryllium and why it's the best speaker driver material currently available. Mr. Mowry's article reads like an infomercial for beryllium and evidently, like ShamWow, beryllium needs a paid spokesman to deliver the “truth."

On the other hand, Mr. Mowry is so intent on the materials aspect of speaker drivers that he seems to have left out some very important aspects of speaker driver performance; specifically, speaker/driver measurements and listening evaluation. Not once does Mr. Mowry offer any laboratory measurement comparisons of Usher's Be line speakers and Be driver-equipped speakers from Focal/JM Labs or any other brand. Isn’t the ultimate performance of the speaker what really matters? In addition, Mr. Mowry cites materials tests of a "fake beryllium" driver, but those tests were not performed on a driver specifically manufactured for Usher. The remainder of Mr. Mowry's "truth" article is based on hearsay, a mysterious "source" and inference: pretty flimsy stuff from a seasoned speaker designer with Bose cube speakers at the heart of his Hi-Fi credentials. Now there's some irony!



The following are the facts:



1. Usher's original Be driver material was supplied by a major Taiwanese supplier. Upon being notified by Mr. Mowry of possibly suspect materials being offered by this supplier, Usher had several samples of the original Be driver material tested by an independent materials content lab. The results, as disclosed earlier in our "News" section, showed a smaller beryllium content than their supplier's claim. Testing confirmed that the original Be driver is composed of titanium and a smaller portion of beryllium than claimed.

2. Usher's main concern in this matter is the ultimate performance of their speakers. Therefore, Usher also re-tested the acoustic performance of the original Be drivers and found it to be superb and to easily meet Usher's minimum criteria for the Dancer Series. In short, there was no performance deficiency in any of the Usher Be models. Usher Dancer speaker models, along with the original Be drivers, have received rave reviews by nearly every relevant audio publication in the U.S. and abroad, including Stereophile and The Absolute Sound. In fact, the Dancer Be-718 was probably the most scrutinized stand mount speaker on the U.S market during 2007-2008. All independent party laboratory measurements were superb including complete testing done by Stereophile's John Atkinson and the National Research Council of Canada. Their test results are are available online at the following addresses:

(http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/me...heraudio_be718/)

(http://www.stereophile.com/standlou...ush/index4.html).

Bottom line: measured speaker performance cannot be faked and is not an issue here. Mr. Mowry's so called "beryllium placebo" effect does not apply.

3. Despite superb test results, and due to what’s been described by Usher as “broken trust,” Usher elected to drop their original supplier and try driver material from another supplier. Usher is currently working on a "pure beryllium" driver, but has run into several issues regarding the performance of the new drivers. Specifically, there is ringing present in some regions of the driver bandwidth. Mr. Tsai, Usher's CEO, (not “Usher’s transducer engineer,” as Mr. Mowry incorrectly describes him) tells us that as soon as the kinks are tuned out we will be receiving the new drivers. However, we are skeptical about any performance increase. We are concerned with the "ringing" issue and have heard complaints from several of our dealers regarding this same issue with other Be drivers from brands we won’t name. Upon arrival of the new drivers, Usher customers will have the option of trading in their original drivers at no cost. We'll keep you posted.

4. Converse to Mr. Mowry’s opinion cost was not a factor in Usher's original driver supplier choice. The cost difference between beryllium driver diaphragms provided by Brush Wellman versus Usher's original source is negligible, especially in speakers starting at $2795/pair. (Focal JM Lab Micro Utopias retail for $7500.00/pair as opposed to the Usher Be-718s, which compete in the same class but are priced much lower at $2795/pair. That’s a fairly significant difference, but not because of the beryllium driver.) Usher chose their original supplier based on measured performance of the materials supplied and location logistics. Usher had no reason to doubt the content validity of their original supplier’s materials. This particular company has been in business for many years and supplies drivers to some of the largest and best-known speaker manufacturers in the world, including some of the companies offering purportedly “legitimate” Be drivers, as mentioned by Mr. Mowry.

5. Usher has obtained one of the “pure” or “legitimate” Be drivers offered by one of the manufacturers Mr. Mowry endorses, and had it tested for material content. The result: it turned out the diaphragm contained less than 14% Beryllium. Our point: it would appear that even the diaphragms Mr. Mowry suggests are made of pure Beryllium are, in fact, alloys of one sort or another.

6. Mr. Mowry’s claim that “You (Usher) have gone to great lengths to misrepresent your products” is pure bunk. Besides cost/performance, what motivation would Usher have to use “fake beryllium?” Conversely, our question to Mr. Mowry is this: What’s your motivation? And, who’s paying you for your time? Could it be an angry competitor that continues to lose market share in the U.S.?
 

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Πάντως μου κάνουν εντύπωση οι μετρήσεις που είχε δώσει o Zaph για το Usher 9980 Beryllium tweeter..

Performs just like the current Dayton RS28, complete with dip in the top octave. Even the breakup is at the same frequency. Looks exactly the same except for a mild gray-purple tint to the dome. The distortion profile is a teeny bit cleaner, but it's close enough that it could just be batch differences. Hard to say. I've never been a proponent of beryllium diaphrams and this really doesn't change things for me. Beryllium drivers don't have the performance improvement to back up their price. This Usher isn't available to DIY'ers anyway.
 

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Απάντηση: Kόντρα Focal - Usher για τα Beryllium drivers ή απάτη της Usher?

Αν κατάλαβα καλά, o Mowry τα χώνει στην Usher επειδή οι θόλοι της είναι κράμα και όχι 100% βυρήλλιο;
 

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Εκείνος ο άλλος τί λέει. Αν έχεις break-up κάτω από τα 50KHz, παίρνεις τραχύ ήχο; Σωστά κατάλαβα;
 

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Re: Απάντηση: Kόντρα Focal - Usher για τα Beryllium drivers ή απάτη της Usher?

Εκείνος ο άλλος τί λέει. Αν έχεις break-up κάτω από τα 50KHz, παίρνεις τραχύ ήχο; Σωστά κατάλαβα;
Τι διάλο νυχτερίδα είναι?

Επίσης το Be της Focal είναι όντως από καθαρό βυρίλιο?Γιατί νομίζω ότι και αυτό κράμα είναι.
 

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Όλα κράματα είναι απλά της Usher είχε πολύ μικρή περιεκτικότητα...
Το παραδέχονται άλλωστε και οι ίδιοι:

Usher's original Be driver material was supplied by a major Taiwanese supplier. Upon being notified by Mr. Mowry of possibly suspect materials being offered by this supplier, Usher had several samples of the original Be driver material tested by an independent materials content lab. The results, as disclosed earlier in our "News" section, showed a smaller beryllium content than their supplier's claim. Testing confirmed that the original Be driver is composed of titanium and a smaller portion of beryllium than claimed.
 

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Απάντηση: Kόντρα Focal - Usher για τα Beryllium drivers ή απάτη της Usher?

Εχει κάποιος από εσάς ηχείο της Usher που διαθέτει Beryllium tweeter, ή μήπως σκέφτεται κάποια μέρα να αγοράσει ?
 

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Απάντηση: Beryllium driver or...messenger?

Χμμ...Φαίνεται κάποιος το πάει το...κράμμα :106:
 

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Το κράμμα αποδίδει πιο σωστά τα καμπανάκια
 

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Απάντηση: Ο δικηγόρος του...βηρυλλίου

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Απάντηση: Re: Kόντρα Focal - Usher για τα Beryllium drivers ή απάτη της Usher?

Αν κατάλαβα καλά, o Mowry τα χώνει στην Usher επειδή οι θόλοι της είναι κράμα και όχι 100% βυρήλλιο;
Όλα κράματα είναι απλά της Usher είχε πολύ μικρή περιεκτικότητα...
Το παραδέχονται άλλωστε και οι ίδιοι:


Beryllium (pronounced /bəˈrɪliəm/) is the chemical element with the symbol Be and atomic number 4.
A bivalent element, beryllium is found naturally only combined with other elements in minerals.
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Beryllium's characteristics (low weight and high rigidity) make it useful as a material for high-frequency drivers. Until recently, most beryllium tweeters used an alloy of beryllium and other metals due to beryllium's high cost and difficulty to form. These challenges, coupled with the high performance of beryllium, caused some manufacturers to falsely claim using pure beryllium.[21] Some high-end audio companies manufacture pure beryllium tweeters or speakers using these tweeters.[22][23][24] Because beryllium is many times more expensive than titanium, hard to shape due to its brittle nature, and potentially toxic when mishandled, these tweeters are limited to high-end and PA applications.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryllium
 

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Commercial use of beryllium metal presents technical challenges due to the toxicity (especially by inhalation) of beryllium-containing dusts. Beryllium produces a direct corrosive effect to tissue, and is also capable of producing a chronic life-threatening allergic disease called berylliosis in susceptible persons.
Toxicity

According to the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), beryllium and beryllium compounds are Category 1 carcinogens; they are carcinogenic to both animals and humans.[26] Chronic berylliosis is a pulmonary and systemic granulomatous disease caused by exposure to beryllium. Acute beryllium disease in the form of chemical pneumonitis was first reported in Europe in 1933 and in the United States in 1943. Cases of chronic berylliosis were first described in 1946 among workers in plants manufacturing fluorescent lamps in Massachusetts. Chronic berylliosis resembles sarcoidosis in many respects, and the differential diagnosis is often difficult. It occasionally killed early workers in nuclear weapons design, such as Herbert Anderson.[27]

Although the use of beryllium compounds in fluorescent lighting tubes was discontinued in 1949, potential for exposure to beryllium exists in the nuclear and aerospace industries and in the refining of beryllium metal and melting of beryllium-containing alloys, the manufacturing of electronic devices, and the handling of other beryllium-containing material.

Early researchers tasted beryllium and its various compounds for sweetness in order to verify its presence. Modern diagnostic equipment no longer necessitates this highly risky procedure and no attempt should be made to ingest this highly toxic substance. Beryllium and its compounds should be handled with great care and special precautions must be taken when carrying out any activity which could result in the release of beryllium dust (lung cancer is a possible result of prolonged exposure to beryllium laden dust).

This substance can be handled safely if certain procedures are followed. No attempt should be made to work with beryllium before familiarization with correct handling procedures.

A successful test for beryllium in air and on surfaces has been recently developed and published as a international voluntary consensus standard (ASTM D7202; www.astm.org). The procedure uses dilute ammonium bifluoride for dissolution and fluorescence detection with beryllium bound to sulfonated hydroxybenzoquinoline, allowing detection up to 100 times lower than the recommended limit for beryllium concentration in the workplace. Fluorescence increases with increasing beryllium concentration. The new procedure has been successfully tested on a variety of surfaces and is effective for the dissolution and ultratrace detection of refractory beryllium oxide and silicious beryllium (ASTM D7458).[citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryllium
 





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