Panasonic 900 και dynamic mode.

[HDman]

Αυτη τη φορα ερχομαι "επισημως" οποτε την ηπιαμε 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Μην φοβασαι ομως καποια στιγμη θα φερουμε τον Στεφανο με την απαιχτη φωτογραφικη του και τοτε τα λεμε

 

[ΛΕΥΤΕΡΗΣ ΚΟΥΚΟΥΡΑΚΗΣ]

Μολις ερθεις παρε τηλ! Ακομα και "επισημως"... Κανεις δεν ειναι τελειος...

 

[ΛΕΥΤΕΡΗΣ ΚΟΥΚΟΥΡΑΚΗΣ]

Ιδου και 2 φωτο που πηρα με το...κινητο!!!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Μη γελατε... Ναι με το κινητο... Ακομα και ετσι ομως φαινεται η διαφορα... Και στην πραγματικοτητα ειναι μεγαλη...


Προσεξτε μονο την διαφορα φωτεινοτητας, που στην μια περιπτωση (dynamic) ειναι επαρκεστατη να "γραψει" το ευτελες κινητο, ενω στην αλλη (cinema3 ρυθμισμενο) δεν ειναι, με αποτελεσμα να εισαγει θορυβο στην εικονα...

Οταν βρω καμια ψηφιακη της προκοπης, θα βγαλω και καλυτερες...

 

[Γιωργος YODAνδρεαδης]

Τελικα το πατωμα ειναι πρασινο ή κοκκινο?

 

[Gebreselassie]

Τελικα το πατωμα ειναι πρασινο ή κοκκινο?

Εμ δις ιζ δε κατς. Που πήγαν τα σωστά χρώματα οεο?

 

[spylab]

Φοβαμαι να ξαναβαλω φωτος μην τους καψετε στο τελος απο τις πολλες ρυθμισεις

 

[ΛΕΥΤΕΡΗΣ ΚΟΥΚΟΥΡΑΚΗΣ]

Βρε με κινητο ειναι η φωτο!!! Για να δειτε την διαφορα στο μαυρο και στην φωτεινοτητα ρεεεεεεεε!!!!

 

[Μελίδης Μιχάλης]

Λευτέρη πρέπει να πάρεις μια καλή ψηφιακή γιατί σε κάνανε ρόμπα αυτοί οι άπιστοι Θωμάδες.

 

[ΛΕΥΤΕΡΗΣ ΚΟΥΚΟΥΡΑΚΗΣ]

Θα τους φτιαξω εγω...

 

[VaD]

Ωχ , χάλια είναι. Λευτέρη να σου στείλω την ψφμ μου; Ποιός τον ακούει τον άλλο!! Ξέρεις ποιόν!

 

[costas EAR]

I have some results using the 81EF filter with the Dynamic setting,
low lamp, color temp 0. Got better color balance this time around,
with the exception of a greater dropoff in red at 90 and 100 IRE than
without a filter. You can see that dropoff in CKL's graphs as well.
Also, gamma was much better controlled than with my settings for Normal.
I might still play around with those some more though. The lumen output
is the same as with the Normal setting. If you're looking for greater
brightness, I'm afraid you'll have to stick with the A+B or C filters.
BTW, using the A+B filters only resulted in a 15% increase in output.
Haven't done any CR tests yet. Here are the settings I ended up at:

Gamma
High: 2
Med: -1
Low: 5

Contrast
R: -10
G: -15
B: -11

Bright
R: -6
G: -8
B: -13

__________________
Enjoy!



Advanced option page in the user menu,
then hold the enter key on the first choice at the top of the page


Cinema 1

R%=96, G%=102, B%=100 at 100 IRE
Ave. color temp=6600
300 lumens

Cinema 2

R%=85, G%=104, B%=97 at 100 IRE
Ave. color temp=7000
325 lumens

Cinema 3

R%=80, G%=104, B%=105 at 100 IRE
Ave. color temp=8400
375 lumens

Video

R%=72, G%=105, B%=108 at 100 IRE
Ave. color temp=10,200
525 lumens

Natural

R%=91, G%=102, B%=101 at 100 IRE
Ave. color temp=7500
300 lumens

Normal

R%=76, G%=105, B%=105 at 100 IRE
Ave. color temp=9300
525 lumens

Dynamic

R%=70, G%=105, B%=108 at 100 IRE
Ave. color temp=10,000
575 lumens

The 81EF is also 2/3 of a Stop (33%).
ND .10 (exposure adjustment = 1/3 stop)
ND .20 (exposure adjustment = 2/3 stop)
ND .30 (exposure adjustment = 1 stop)

81A 3400K to 3200K lower 200K color temp
81B 3500K to 3200K lower 300K color temp
81C 3600K to 3200K lower 400K color temp
81EF 3850K to 3200K lower 650K color temp

========================================


Many people have been waiting for my calibration, using Smart III,
with the B&W KR6 81EF filter. Well, here it is. The following settings
work with my AE700, but yours might be different, so use these only as
a starting point.

Mode: Video
Lamp: High

Gamma High: 0
Gamma Mid: 0
Gamma Low: 0
Contrast R: 0
Contrast G: +5
Contrast B: +4
Bright R: -2
Bright G: -2
Bright B: -1

This produces an exact color temperature of 6500K across all IRE levels
from 20-100. Below 20 it gets a bit cooler but that is as good as it gets
with the calibration. You can reduce this by eye and lower the Blue Bright
setting by one or two steps to remove the slight blue black.

After all of this I bet you are wondering what the contrast level is... Well,
it is an amazing 2273:1

So it seems that the B&W KR6 81EF is the filter Cine4home.de used to
calibrate the AE700.


I think that my actual settings with this filter are better than ur config.
Can u test it with my settings and say me the results of Smart III please?


Mode: Video
Lamp: Low (but think put it in High mode to increase the contrast)

Contrast: 4
Brightness: 0
Temp colour: 0
Iris: on
Gamma High: 0
Gamma Mid: 0
Gamma Low: 0
Contrast R: -2
Contrast G: -2
Contrast B: 0
Bright R: 0
Bright G: 0
Bright B: 0


===============================

CKL's settings 900
(Dynamic + filters, High Lamp)
Gamma -
High = +2
Mid = -1
Low = +3

Contrast -
Red = -2
Green = -11
Blue = -5

Red = -3
Green = -1
Blue = -8

===============================

Here are some settings with the 81EF filter and AE900
in Normal mode, color temp at 0 and low lamp.
Readings taken from the projector, so they should
work with most screens that do not alter the color balance:

Gamma
High: 0
Med: 0
Low: 5

Contrast
R: -4
G: -9
B: -6

Bright
R: 1
G: 2
B: -2

============================

Panasonic AE 900
Lamp Low
Picture Normal
Contrast 4
Brightness 1
Colour -7
Tint 1
Sharpness -4
Colour Temp -3
Dynamc Iris on
Noise Reduction on
Gamma High 0
Gamma Mid -3
Gamma Low 0
Contrast Red 3
Contrast Green 1
Contrast Blue -1
Bightness Red 0
Brightness Green 0
Brightness Blue 0

Smart III Results
Red Contrast Ratio 1387
Green Contrast Ratio 1629
Blue Contrast Ratio 976
Combined Contrast Ratio 1427
Calculated Gamma 2.16 Range 1.9 to 2.3
Target Gamma 2.2
Color Temperature About 6500 (range 6250 - 6750 at IRE 10 to 100)
Lumens 579
Lux IRE 100 173
Lux IRE 0 0.07
Contrast IRE 100/IRE 0 2471

===========================

Calibrated settings for the HDMI input, Cinema 1:

Gamma -
High= 0
Mid= -1
Low= 2

Contrast -
Red= 1
Green= -5
Blue= 1

Bright -
Red= 0
Green= 0
Blue= -1

=====================

Tried the CC30R filter yesterday. It's not enough to overcome the extreme range of
the Dynamic setting, so I tried the setting with the next highest output, Normal.
In High lamp mode, I get the following default measurements, which are better than
the Low lamp measurements posted previously:

R%=79, G%=105, B%=104 at 100 IRE
Ave. color temp=8700
738 lumens

With the filter:

R%=94, G%=101, B%=101 at 100 IRE
Ave. color temp=7100
403 lumens

This puts it pretty close to the Cinema 1 defaults, but with a 33% higher output.

-------------

Okay, I slapped the B&W KR6 81EF filter on and shifted to Video mode.
The results are similar to what CKL got with his 81A+B combo.
From the original levels of R=72%, G=105% and B=108% at a temp of 10,200,
the filter dropped the temp to near 6500 and raised the red and blue to
about 88 and 92% respectively. As you would expect, green was hardly affected,
dropping to about 103.

After calibration, I could tell just by eye that the 0 IRE screen was darker
than before. So, I took some On/Off CR readings and came up with 3550:1 in High
lamp mode and 2990:1 in Low lamp. By comparison, I was at around 1450:1 in Cinema 1 mode.
So, some very good news there. Since I have an phobia about running any projector
in High lamp mode, I'll probably stick with Low lamp mode.

The lumen output with the filter on, even in High lamp mode was slightly less than
Cinema 1 in Low lamp mode without the filter, but only about 50 lumens. I would not
recommend the filter for use in a room without light control.

I have some preliminary settings, but I'll refrain from posting them until I have
time to fine tune them. Basically, R and B gains (contrast) go up and G goes down.
As you might expect with a warming filter, the offsets (bright) were different,
with R and G increased slightly over B.

=============================================

For those with no filter, here are some calibrated settings for the Normal mode to try:

Low Lamp, Color Temp = -4

Gamma -
High= 0
Mid= 1
Low= 3

Contrast -
Red= 0
Green= -8
Blue= -8

Bright -
Red= 0
Green= 2
Blue= -1

===================================================

 

[costas EAR]

Τα παραπάνω είναι από το αμερικάνικο φόρουμ αλλά κι η δική μου εμπειρία με τον 900 άρη έδειξε ότι μαζί με το 81EF φίλτρο στο Dynamic mode έπαιζε σαφώς καλύτερα.

Χωρίς το φίλτρο όμως δύσκολα να έχει "σωστά" χρώματα σε όλη την κλίμακα φωτεινότητας.

Πιο εντυπωσιακό αποτέλεσμα πάντως σίγουρα, με σαφώς περισσότερα lumens.