GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

[notiskas]

Re: Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

Ε αφού έχει και μικρα θα το πάρω! Μια διευκρίνηση μόνο, τα πριμιουμ αυτοκίνητα στη λίστα τι διαφορά έχουν από τα υπόλοιπα; Δεν είναι διαθέσιμα σε όλες τις εκδόσεις ή καμία σχέση;

 

[Skipper_d]

Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

Και οταν με το καλο το παρουμε στα χερια μας, με ποια τιμονιερα?

Αγοραζουμε αυτην
http://www.skroutz.gr/s/95661/Logitech-G27-Racing-Wheel.html ??

ή περιμενουμε κατι καλυτερο??
Εχει ανακοινωθει κατι?

 

[Giovanni Dimitropoulos]

Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

Gran Turismo 5 - Nürburgring Nordschleife - Time Change with cockpit view




[YOUTUBE]dREGCHLhh5c[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Giovanni Dimitropoulos]

Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

Και οταν με το καλο το παρουμε στα χερια μας, με ποια τιμονιερα?

Αγοραζουμε αυτην
http://www.skroutz.gr/s/95661/Logitech-G27-Racing-Wheel.html ??

ή περιμενουμε κατι καλυτερο??
Εχει ανακοινωθει κατι?

Εγώ έχω την G25.
Η οποία μαζί με την G27 είναι οι top over all
Θα έχουν απόλυτη συμβατότητα με το GT5.

Μένει να ολοκληρώσω το project κατασκευής stand για την τιμονιέρα μου (για το οποίο θα φτιάξω thread όταν με το καλό ολοκληρωθεί), είμαι στα πρώτα βήματα.
Πρέπει την επόμενη εβδομάδα να δουλέψω εντατικά για 3-4 μέρες για να προλάβω.

 

[Petros_Dalipis]

Πήγα στο eshop σήμερα. Θα το παραλάβουν στην αποθήκη στις 24 και αν έχω κάνει προπαραγγελία θα το πάρω στις 25. Βρε δεν πάτε να .....:141:

 

[Skipper_d]

Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

Μένει να ολοκληρώσω το project κατασκευής stand για την τιμονιέρα μου (για το οποίο θα φτιάξω thread όταν με το καλό ολοκληρωθεί), είμαι στα πρώτα βήματα.
Πρέπει την επόμενη εβδομάδα να δουλέψω εντατικά για 3-4 μέρες για να προλάβω.

ψηνομαι πολυ γι αυτο.....

http://www.gamex.gr/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30151

το εχει κανεις? φαινεται ΠΟΛΥ ωραιο...

 

[Giovanni Dimitropoulos]

Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

ψηνομαι πολυ γι αυτο.....

http://www.gamex.gr/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30151

το εχει κανεις? φαινεται ΠΟΛΥ ωραιο...

Ωραία φαίνεται.
Το μόνο που με χαλάει σε αυτές τις βάσεις είναι το κάθετο μεταλλικό στέλεχος ανάμεσα στα πόδια....
Θέλω να είναι ελεύθερο εκεί, όπως και στο αυτοκίνητο.

Η κουταμάρα είναι πως μου κάθησαν μερικές στραβές και δεν πρόλαβα να ασχοληθώ με την κατασκευή, αλλά την Παρασκευή το πρωί θα πάω για κουρμάρισμα σωλήνων ώστε Τρίτη-Τετάρτη (& Πέμπτη?) να ολοκληρώσω την κατασκευή

 

[Giovanni Dimitropoulos]

Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

GTSurgeons - Croatian Gran Turismo Community (Gran Turismo zajednica Hrvatska) - Proudly presents

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WORLD'S FIRST GT5 RETAIL PAL HANDS-ON

So, here we go again, once more in our common history. It was a bumpy and lenghty ride - from 2007 to here - but now everything is done. Thanks to all who understood the logic behind the Winds, special thanks to all GTP Admins and Moderator staff and especially Jordan for giving us support throughout of this years.

Content of this thread is logical from the title. Fortunately, I have something important to do for the next hour or so, so please expect first update around 19:00 my local time (18:00 CET).

Until then, one appropriate shot of the box for validation of the future content.

Notice I'll be adding all new info in this first post. See you in one hour.

****

 

[Giovanni Dimitropoulos]

Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

[FIRST UPDATE: Game gently warns that "Install of game data can take up to 50 minutes". See you somewhat later then, I'm going to do somthing useful

It took 40 minutes. First bunch of installed data is actually 6.4GB, but we have already learned that game will continue to install (decompress) the data during playtime. And off we go

# FIRST REAL UPDATE:

I drive with G25.

Clutch users, rejoyce! Clutch works, same style as GT5rologue, no official support, you still have to press triangle before the race, but the beauty is here.

Physics are fantastic. In the line somewhere between cruelty of Academy TT Demo and Prologue. My first ride was Trial Mountain with F40, S1 tyres, all aids OFF (ABS on 1), Professional setting. I spun on lap 2, went into Pause Menu and found out about new addition in Quick Options - Interior View Angle.

 

[Giovanni Dimitropoulos]

Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

Now we can adjust view angle to Standard, Narrow and Narrower.

 

[Giovanni Dimitropoulos]

Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

Map Size can be adjusted, unfortunately, no option to turn-off the HUD yet.

Prior to the race start you can choose Depletion of Tyres/Fuel

 

[Giovanni Dimitropoulos]

Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

# UPDATE FIRST AND HALF

Regarding PHYSICS - the Professional / Standard is gone. I referred to Professional in my previous update as an AI setting in Arcade. However, physics are "Professional" with everything OFF - it seems that new assist "SKID RECOVERY" actually determines the complexity of the tyre physics.

I've just tried RX-7 on compound previously known as N2 (marks N, S and R are also gone - now we have Comfort, Sports and Racing, while only Racing have option to be Intermediate and Rain - logical, since Racing are slicks without grooves) on Indy Road and actually it is damn close to one I remember from Academy TT demo. Although there is no way to compare (demo is out of function) I can safely say that all hard-cores will be very satisfied

From my first byte at physics and overall options - and all at this point have been into Options and Arcade modes only, I'm heading to GT Life now - driving with force feedback wheel (my current FF strength is 5) is more refined than in Prologue and/or Academy TT Demo, yet it is more complex but feels more natural. Please notice that physics elaboration is very sensitive matter, but at this point all who were impressed with Prologue Spec III physics update and TT Demo physics later, will be satisfied.

Notice that ABS-off is now refined to death, lock-up is made very impressive and I really starting to like the journey that lays ahead

 

[Giovanni Dimitropoulos]

Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

# SECOND UPDATE

First to say that sound is greatly improved (I have a large 5.1 setup). Best sound is from the roof-cam (no hood cam, it's final), while tyre sound is refined additionaly. Spund of impact is vastly improved when you bump into other cars.

NO MULTISCREEN OR LAN OPTIONS SO FAR.

No new tracks in Arcade so far. No Sienna too (probably opens after Kart test).

GT Life mode. - spoiler alert, highlight for content:

You can choose design of your racing suit (only once per save) and then design your My Life space (backgrounc color, profile picture (from the PhotoModes, interesting??), you can choose from 12 beautiful sceneries for the Home Wallpaper and edit your Welcome Message.

When in Used Car/Dealership garage, every car (all in Used Car are Standard Models) have a Demo. During the demo you can watch the car being auto-piloted on the test track with great motor sounds due to track configurations - and car story being displayed as an roll-on txt. Despite many members will later find evidence to contrary, I have to admit that during Demo Drive, for instance Nomad Diablo/Plymouth Cuda/Callaway C12 looked very ok. Standard cars looks way better than I expected, but far from complexity of Premiums.

Also, Demo Drive is dome on some special Test Course (probably Cape Ring, not sure at this point), and cars go uphill, downhill, slow and fast, in order to catch the sound and variations of the engine sound (Doppler Effect presented there is amazing). And I assure you that Diablo/Cuda/C12 (oh the V12 ) all sounds freaking beautiful. Driver in Demo Drive will sometimes make a small mistake, force skidding or even drifting - which is a nice touch.

Before going to Licenses you have to purchase a car. Purchasing a car in some colour gives you the Paint Item for that colour (for body or rims).

Now heading for the Licenses. Expect additional updates soon.

 

[Giovanni Dimitropoulos]

Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

UPDATE SECOND AND HALF

OK, all National B Licenses done (10 of them), all Golds.

Nothing particulary challenging, but it was fun to see some licenses from the times of the very first Gran Turismo in the new era All licenses are done with Premium cars as expected.

Notice that Skid Recovery is permanetly on and it can't be set to off for al N-B Licenses. Other assists can be turned off, but you have to do it manually for every new License. Some things never change in he World of Gran Turismo Also notice that quantity of OSD data during in-cockpit is noting short of fabulous Position, map, current time, prize times, best time, all gauges, split-times... My dear Lord. Polyphony sticks to the roots of 15 years ago

For all Bronzes in N-B you get legendary Demio Sport '03. For Silver and Gold you get (spoiler alert): OFC Concept '07 and ZZ-S '00.

Notice that winning all N-B with Gold will get you to Lv. 4 and unlock Kart, JG Nascar and Top Gear Special Races (ones with appropriate level).

Also, N-B 10 License hosts 16 cars on track, so that one question is also settled pretty much.

Will come back soon, I have to do further search into some options now.

 

[Giovanni Dimitropoulos]

Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

# THIRD UPDATE

I have to say that I will go into actual career structure until I finish all Licenses, so my initial focus will be based around that segment.

I have just finished golding of National A Licenses - it was a bumpy ride

First, rally is awesome. Period. Will make deeper explorations of the physics tomorrow, but from what I've experienced today, physics in all aspects of the game is nothing but phenomenal. It is difficult to explain, but with every new corner and movement of the car you get the idea you've learned something new. Some tiny bit, some small idea about something, but important and meaningful. During process of golding N-A it was 1997 ll over again, with some familiar licenses in different setting, all up to One Lap Magic finale.

Golding N-A will rank you directly to Lv.7. Bronze prize car is mm-R Cup Car '01, while Silver and bronze are (spoiler alert): Atenza Concept '01 and 4200 R Concept '89.

Somebody asked about 16 races (as seen in both final One Lap Magic races in Licenses section so far) being mixture of Premium and Standard models. They are in fact, I took a moment to pay attention, but - you just don't see the difference during race. On my set - and I'm using an 50" plasma - all Standard cars look like a Prologue cars in-race. It is more-less visible in the replay, but overall I think PD did a very decent job in mixing the two breeds.

One thing was surprising to me since I race without Race BGM (without music during race) - when you pass the License and Bronze/Silver/Gold trophy appears - followed by crew scene (as in GT4) - there is no corresponding in-game music. In order to hear those special tunes (when obtaining the trophy, after race screen or fail-screen) you have to enable Race BGM. Bu then you have to listen to the music durng License test and that is just a no-go for my concentration Tomorrow I'll try to bypass it by recording an empty MP3 track and by enabling Custom soundtrack - and setting Custom track as Race BGM - but it is a strange workaround (if it will work).

There are 189 songs in total in Soundtrack Library of the game, including glorious selection of Classic music, but there is no "Moon Over the Castle" to be found anywhere. It will be a shame if it does not appear later (maybe after Ending Credits or something, only time will tell - since fan-editing of the intro-movie pretty strongly implied that it is edited for MOTC).

 

[Giovanni Dimitropoulos]

Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

One tiny but beautiful spoiler here, regarding option previously introduced in Tourist Trophy game:

Spoiler

you can change the number on the race cars, including 4 types of letters and numbering - from 1 to 99.

Another spoiler about acquiring cars and other items in the game:

Spoiler

you can win different kinds of items, such as car-tickets, horn vouchers or Paint Items (probably some other types later). So, instead of winning an actual car, you get a "Ticket" for it. You can then decide to use the Ticket (or any other type of voucher) for yourself of gift it to the friend. Very nicely executed community/RPG/Pokemon feature

In Practice mode (Settings options for car are available if you have "settable" parts) you can run Free Run, Drift Trial or One Make Races which I find great. NOtice that game has it's own logic about Race Starts - on some tracks they're Standing, on others Rolling. I presume once the Online options become available we'll be able to choose desired option for Private Lobby races. But both Arcade and GT Life mode have predetermined ways of starting the races.

Also, Karts should be driven only with force feedback strengthen up to 10

Those babies are fun as hell while physics of the tires surprisingly shows it's manners on the best imaginable way. Online Karts will be great fun for clean drivers.

This will wrap-up my updates for today, will continue to update tomorrow, notice that RDK will probably unlock Lv.20 and Extreme level, so stay tuned to his thread in order to find out details - of course, if he decides to share them and spoil surprises

Thanx to all who stop by and read, good night ladies and gentleman drivers

 

[Giovanni Dimitropoulos]

Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

# FOURTH UPDATE

At this update I'll try to tackle some issues from yesterday, with focus on some questions I found interesting and some elaborations regarding various parts of the GT5.

With physics being most important in my book, I understand that some observation from tomorrow were somehow misleading. So, here are the further impressions.

I drive with G25, no assists except ABS (1), and no clutch (although it works as previously mentioned). I have no idea about limitations of sequential shifters on G27 (as witnessed in Prologue and TT demo), none of my friends have it and I can't try it at this point. I also have a Fanatec 911 GT3 RSV2 Clubsport waiting to be mounted, but until my new rig comes that baby will not start it's GT5 life.

As I mentioned yesterday, most important issue in physics is disappearance of STD/PRO distinction. Instead, GT5 introduces new driving-aid, Skid Recovery Force, which somewhat limits car lateral movement allowing for easier control. I presume it also applies some kind of steering buffer for controller users, but I haven't try the game with the pad so I can't elaborate further. As said before, all license test in N-B and N-A divisions comes with SRF enabled and I presume it can be disabled by progressing into higher tiers of Licenses - as logic of the licenses determines, since by advancing you can turn-off almost every assists (or the appropriate test turns it off as mandatory).

My physics impression comes from driving stock RX-7 (N2), stock M3 (S1) and racing Castrol Supra (R1) on dry surfaces. GT5 physics is the most advanced physics any any GT game to date, more complex than Prologue, demanding as Academy TT physics, but much more subtile and profound. Tire-snap is now logical, you can feel the surface, suspension and weight on tires and you can perfectly determine what is going on with the tire-grip. I'm impressed with modeling of suspensions - feel of the road is phenomenal and in every moment you know what your car is doing through the force feedback effect delivered on the wheel.

You have a constant idea what your car is doing and you just know when you did something wrong. It is very difficult to explain by words, but all variables that determines the feel of the car on particular part of the track are linked perfectly. You just know when you're going over the top, when the line you've taken will not be good or when you've applied the wrong steer. Also, greatest improvement is done in realms of racing cars, where Kazunori finally reached the levels of his only inspiration, Yu Suzuki's masterpiece F355 Challenge. Sense of speed through corners is now perfect. The insane level of grip and power of race cars has been finally toned down, and feeling of having an ultimate driving machine now comes from ability to steer perfectly, to have control of throttle and brakes, to feel the suspension and to have time to prepare for next maneuver. Refinement in this area is the most important to me, because in all previous GT games I had problems with insanity of race cars. Now everything is in place as it should be, and I love that aspect most.

Of course, in days to come, GT5's physics will be analyzed as no driving-game physics ever was. I expect many criticism, searching for flaws, comparisment with "this game" or "that game", but I have strong impression that physics in GT5 is the most refined physics ever introduced in virtual world - as long as "physics" is determined by the feel of actual driving, feel of tires, feel of suspension, weight transfer, engine momentum and actual feel of steering. Sense of speed, grip, weight and car-performance is just logical and natural - and that is what matters most.

 

[Giovanni Dimitropoulos]

Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

I tried to drive without ABS on both stock cars mentioned above, but even G25 pedals are not up to that task

Although overall effect of non-ABS braking is more refined than in Prologue, brakes needs to be approached with great attention. Actual tire-lock is easy to be done and I really have no idea how will users of DFGT/DFP drive without ABS if wanted

. Watching braking without ABS in replays finally looks logical and natural and later afternoon I'll be doing much more research in that particular field. On the other side, driving a Castrol Supra on R1 without ABS was totally different from stock-cars, I could tackle braking more efficiently and I presume that mechanical setting (tire compound, suspension, brake power distribution) have lot to do with the overall immersion of the non-ABS braking.

One of the most common questions was one regarding the sounds. GT5 have drastically improved sounds over Prologue in every way. I started a Demo Drive for F430 and it sounds much better than in Prologue, as well as all cars I've driven. Notice that sound changes when driving in cockpit, as I mentioned yesterday best (loudest and clearest) sound is when driving from the roof-cam. However, it is logical to be as that, because the sound of the car from outside and from inside is not the same, as in real life. In the sound department I really love the way in which Doppler effect have been implemented during replays. It shines in surround setting and everybody who got any kind of surround system will enjoy probably the most realistic interpretation of audio-design in virtual racing from "spectator" point of view.

Speaking about replays, they're much more complicated in execution than in previous games, with much more option on disposal. You have 2 interior views focused solely on driver (not sure about that view being available for STD cars) and animation of the driver and interior lightning is just phenomenal.

More serious drivers will love the fact that fuel depletion is now inter-connected to the power of the engine, it's aspiration and way of driving. Although I didn't research it yet in any longer race, menu clearly says that driving more aggressively, with revving into red-area and such will consume more fuel. I hope I'll have time to tackle both tire-wear and fuel-depletion today and it is clear it will add whole another dimension for online racing. I have no idea about brake-fade and such but I'll share any insights as soon as I realize them.

Slipstream has finally been reduced to normal levels and I can't wait to go online and try it in real races. Insane slipstream does not exist anymore and it is noticeable from few licenses that includes slipstreaming. Slow drivers will not be happy, fast drivers will finally get a deserved on-track advantage for their skill outside the straight.

 

[Giovanni Dimitropoulos]

Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

GT series was always different from PC simulations and it is very clear that Kazunori's vision is different from one of hard-core PC simulations. I still have no idea about execution of mechanical damage and I presume that Extreme races (unlocked after Lv. 20) will offer more answers in this area. But it is safe to presume that some features such as clutch wear, separate sections for the tire-wear and tire-pressure will stay out of the GT world for time being. As for amount of fuel and functions of the logger, I have no idea yet. I'll take a notice when I tackle them.

I don't know anything about Qualifications process since I didn't go into A-Spec races yet.

PPT values are nowhere to be shown (maybe in A-Spec races?) and if they're still in, they could be part of the online portion of the game. As for yesterday, connecting to PSN haven't prompt any update or allow that menu for Community features becomes available. As I noticed yesterday, I am getting the same message as other members with the game about some functions "Not being available in this Version of the game". It is very safe to presume that players with connection to PSN will get some serious update as servers go up (on 24/11, as being announced on official web) that will unlock or make visible all community/online features.

Somebody asked about tuning and adjusting process being available in Practice mode - it is. You can take any car in Practice mode, tune it there, do Free Runs, Drift trials or do One Make Races. Unfortunately, legendary Test Track is nowhere to be found, together with 0-400, 0-1000 tests. Maybe I didn't search enough.

I didn't try all surfaces yet (rain, snow..), report on that comes later today. Many other advanced options as variable weather and such will probably be introduced in Endurance races (wherever and on whichever Lv. they are) and in settings for still unavailable online races (Private Lobby and races settings).

Also, I couldn't find an option to create a point-to-point track in Course Maker and it remains to be seen will it unlock on some point.

I have a PSEye and I'll be post impressions of headtracking later today.

In the end, I will conclude with overall impression of the Graphical User Interface. As always, GUI created by Polyphony Digital is the most beautiful in the genre and beyond. Everything is designed to insane level of logic and beauty and navigating through menus with great music in the background (lounge and jazz selection is perfect) is a treat of its own. Shortcuts are also welcomed again and although many new users will loose themselves in the beginning, it has to be noticed that complexity of the game structure is almost perfectly executed through GUI.

This concludes this update, I'll be tackle other issues in the early evening (around 18:00 CET).

Thanx for reading.

***ENDS

 

[Giovanni Dimitropoulos]

Απάντηση: GRAN TURISMO 5,official thread. Release Date USA & EU:24/11/10

Καλά πάμε!!

Η πρώτη επίσημη παρουσίαση δείχνει πως τα πράγματα θα είναι πολύ ωραία......
Αναμονή μέχρι την Τετάρτη που μας έρχεται (24/11/10) που θα έχουμε το GT5 στα χέρια μας!!!


Έχω ήδη ξεκινήσει την κατασκευή της βάσης για την G25 που (εκτός απροόπτου) θα είναι έτοιμη μέχρι την Τετάρτη.....